what we got today was an offer, a framework from the speaker john boehner who is calling for spending of revenue targets to be set this year and an overhaul of entitlement and tax reform to begin next year, 2013. what we got at the end of the talks today with a willingness to compromise. >> we're both going to have to give up some of the things we know are a problem. >> i will be continue to have revenue on the table, for my college to show the american people that we are serious about cutting spending and solving our fiscal dilemma. >> and so while the tone was positive, when you talk to aids, their position remains as they were this morning and the last couple of weeks. democrats want tax rates to increase still on families earning more than $250,000 per year and they want that to happen in the beginning of january when the scheduled rate increase is supposed to happen. republicans say any revenues must come from tax reform, a process next year, and must be accompanied by entitlement reform. a good tone coming out of the meeting was still remains far apart. david: you ever feel like